Are New Skool Steppers Twirling Their Partners Too Much?

This is taken from what I think is a very good forum topic in my other Steppers Group. The author is MsGlovely. Share your thoughts.

"First of all, I really enjoy steppin' a great deal. I love that it's so diverse with the different styles of steppin'. I'm not speaking towards all, but one thing I noticed is that the some of the new skool guys turn the women a LOT. I feel like I'm going to lose my dinner sometimes from all the turning. I do enjoy the challenge when a guy throws a tuff turn on me, but just not every pull. I'm sure I will stir some controversy here, but I think all the turns sometimes takes away from the "dance" part of steppin' that can be so beautiful. I love watching a lady that can footwork, which is not easy to do. Again, I know there are varied styles out there, but it would be nice to dance with someone who is not afraid of a woman showing what she's got sometime.

Clearly, the guys dictates the flow, and that's just the way it is. We have to acclimate to his style or never get asked to dance by him again (maybe). But I love dancing with a guy whom complements my style of steppin too and can showcase his as well. It would be nice to know what you guys think. Do you think a lot of turning takes away from the dance, or it doesn't matter one way or the other?

I hadn't seen any discussions other than the first by our wonderful moderator. I'm sure steppers have some things to discuss, don't we?"

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Permalink Reply by Hoss on January 23, 2009 at 11:25am

When in doubt, turn her.LOL

Permalink Reply by Edie Antoinette on January 23, 2009 at 12:10pm

LOL!!!! okaaaaaay! LOL!!!

Permalink Reply by Shelley "SoleMann" King on January 23, 2009 at 1:18pm

I don't think it matters one way or the other...It's all soooooo smooth

Permalink Reply by Edie Antoinette on January 23, 2009 at 1:49pm

It is...but I can see her point. imagine being turned over and over and over. Back in the good ole days you got turned only every now and then. I still remember my Daddy turning me under his stong arm when we bopped...ahhhhhhh!!!! He was so cute with his..kinna like a smooth robot...ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

But you're right Sole...it's ohhhh so smooth!

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The history of the Butlers/Raw Soul is dense, but for all of us music nerds, that's normal. It is not totally clear what year the Butlers actually formed but they released their first single in 1963 on Liberty Records. That single was "She Tried To Kiss Me" and another single followed on Guyden entitled "Lovable Girl." After the Guyden single the Butlers took a break not recording another record until the single "Laugh, Laugh, Laugh" was released on the Phila label in 1966. The group also backed Charles Earland and Jean Wells on one Phila single ("I Know She Loves Me").

As you might be noticing, the Butlers were doing a fair amount of recording but not achieving much success. The group's recordings sold regionally but never had the promotion to make an impact on the national scene. After the single with Phila, the Butlers moved to the Fairmount label (part of the Cameo-Parkway family) and released a handful of singles, some being reissued singles of the past. The Butlers were with Fairmount for 1966-67 and then moved to Sassy Records. Sassy released the group's greatest single (in my opinion) "Love (Your Pain Goes Deep)" b/w "If That's What You Wanted." A copy of that 45 sold for just under $500 last summer on eBay. Even though that isn't that much in the world of record collecting--it's still a hefty sum. The Butlers released another single on Sassy ("She's Gone" b/w "Love Is Good") that appears to be even

harder to come by then the "Love (Your Pain Goes Deep)" single.

The true history become a bit blurred here as the AMG biography states that the Butlers last record was released on C.R.S. in 1974 (". However, between 1971 and that single, Frankie Beverly formed a group called Raw Soul and released a number of singles. Some of the songs recorded by Beverly during this period are "While I'm Alone," "Open Up Your Heart," (both on the Gregor label) and "Color Blind." "Color Blind" was released by the Eldorado label and rerecorded by Maze. Beverly's big break came when Marvin Gaye asked Raw Soul to back him on a tour. Gaye helped Beverly/Raw Soul get a contract at Capitol. Beverly decided to take the group in a different direction, a name change occurred, and Maze was created.

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